On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:27:34 -0400, Philip Thrift <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>It is something to think about -- like subing fish for one or the
>meat items (same amount) altering.

Philip, that's right. My point of criticism is solved if you substitute
some of the agro business meat (beef and pork) by fish.
Eather you manage to get really fatty fish (probably hard)
or you add some *good* vegetable oil (olive) e.g. with some salad amount
(which i think is missing).

>I have to say I'm skeptical of these charts people pointed
>me to. I'm also skeptical of the health problem of the fats.

Saturated fat intake has a real strong correlation to CHD diseases (and
Cancer). Correlation needn't be causation, but so much the worse.
If the correlation comes from the usually associated red meat it betrays
you too. If it comes from very small (displaced) vegetable intake, same.

The common approach is just to eliminate all fats from the diet
(low fat) but this doesn't work, as some of the references posted in our
followup pointed out.
IMO this is mainly because the substitution is normally with "wrong" or
"bad" carbohydrates. Fats unburden the carbohydrate mechanism.

Some studies see the w-3/w-6 ratio as the main culprit.
Then taking fish oils, fish fat (inuit do) or similar supplements
could be a way out of the CHD hazard.
This may work (against CHD) but is not so paleo
-- to equal out unpaleo agro fats
with some unpaleo fish fats or supplements
(unpaleo because though wild game they are extracted=processed and not
anchestrally available)

There are more dangers i see in your approach i did not mention
(homocystein, purins, kidney stress, osteoposisis,fiber). They are too much
in discussion amoung people attempting a paleo-type diet.

For osteoporosis, the Cordaine-posting which Todd mentioned may have
some interesting information for you (to add more fruit veg):
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind9811&L=paleodiet&P=R62
Paragraph labeled "6." (while "4." to "6." deal with the natural
paleo fats).

>I would find it difficult to maintain/extend a natural bodybuilder
>physique with less meat intake, and the fat in the beef gives me energy
>that I feel I need for good workouts.

I can't comment on your own way of maintaining a bodybuilder physique
because i'm not in bodybuilding. Fuelling muscles with fats works as we know
and builds especially "endurance" type muscles (though these are not the
optical preferred thick ones i think).
You aren't gonna put on 4.5 lbs of muscle per day, are you ? ;-)

regards

Amadeus S.