>
>> what you seem to see as solutions...are for me a step farther in
>> the spinning out  from our center .
>
>"spinning out from our center"?? What does that really mean?

i meant the exponential  attempt of human to  remove themselves  from their
source , from the natural environment that sustain them .


>
>These are the types of statements in which you cross over the line into
>something that sounds to me like religious mysticism.

i am interested by the fondamental attitudes  of human toward the
environment that sustain them .
nothing or everything  religious in that ! depends of what religion means to
you .
hunter gatherers for example who have a direct experience of their place in
their ecosystem, have a very religious attitude toward it ,yet very concrete
and pratical .


>
>It's perfectly okay with me if you consider eating or living
paleolithically
>to be some kind of religious or mystical imperative. I would not fault you
>for it; certainly your brand of religious mysticism would not be the first
>on earth to entangle diet with religion.

diet and religion have allways been entangled and it is the scientific
religion that brought the low fat highcarb diet.

 However when you combine diet with
>religion you cease to speak in the objective language of empirical science
>that allows people of all nationalities and religious backgrounds to
>communicate

i certainly don;t speak about diet in a vaccum , i can't see diet not being
connnected with everything else , and especially not unconnected with the
way we relate to our environment.
it is precisely my point that the discriminating knowledge that empirical
science bring is at the source of  the lost of our sight of the whole.

>. You shut out a whole lot of people.

You demonstrate  that i can't be heard and understood by every body, but
that is not a good reason for  me to not say  what i have to say.
if you really don't get what i am saying  you don't have to listen ,
while you were busy questionning my way of talking you forgot to answer the
points of my previous post.
jean-claude