Nit picky but, y'all are in college! Michael Pugliese
>From: John Woodford <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Date: 9/19/01 2:08:47 PM
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>There was nothing excellent about Massoud or his henchman Rabbouni.
They jsut
>weren't quite as foul as the Taliban.
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>llevitt wrote:
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>> I don't know whether this list is open for comment; if it
is, I want to say
>> just one thing:
>> The sense I get is that either there is ignorance of what
the Taliban is and
>> stands for, or witting oblivion to it. Of course war against
Afghanistan is
>> futile, but action that will take out the Taliban and place
the country's
>> leadership in the hands of the opposition (whose excellent
leader the
>> Taliban have just assassinated) would help, not hurt the country.
If that
>> result is collateral to destroying Bin Laden and his Afghanistan
cell, so
>> much the better for the world. Ask the women of Afghanistan:
The doctors,
>> teachers, and former students now sequestered and hidden behind
the veil
>> whose lives are hell and whose suicide is rampant. Foolish
leftists, not to
>> recognize a real foe of enlightenment and freedom when they
see it! It is
>> depressing to me, a lifelong adherent of the left and admirer
of Chomsky (I
>> even have a picture of him when he was about twelve!) to have
to say this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sueko Sakai" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:20 PM
>> Subject: [CHOMSKY] facism in action
>>
>> > an opinion here in hilo is that retaliation against afghanistan
serves no
>> > purpose other than ego gratification because in war torn
afghanistan, its
>> > infrastructure; its cities, towns, communities; its economic,
social, and
>> > political foundations no longer exist. in other words,
families, such
>> > that they are society's foundation, no longer exits in this
no man's land
>> > called afghanistan. in chinese philosophy the axiom is:
the human
>> > individual care for others.
>> >
>> > it seems to me that we need to pause a moment, we need to
comfort each
>> > other in our confusion, grievance, shock, for we need to
clamly, and most
>> > importantly collectively, undress the false reality(s) that
caused this
>> > carnage.
>> >
>> > what has happened is a dream come true for "brutus." and
what is
>> > happening is facism is in action. not very long ago i said
something
>> > about keeping an eye on bush, because of the manner in which
he won the
>> > presidential election, something about how his politics
might match
>> > hitler's. what's happening in the usa today?
>> >
>> > if we are to collectively undress the false realities that
caused this
>> > carnage, then the political becomes the starting point for
our objective
>> > discussions. this is so because the political is the inquiry
into the
>> > order of human things, where the important word is human
(strong).
>> >
>> > in this process, i believe, we must use facism's faults,
past (hitler &
>> > etc.) and present (the global tyranny of western imperialism
and
>> > multinational corporations), as a mirror in order to recognize,
>> > understand, and define the virtues that will reveal a contrast
to the
>> > facism (wu) we are currently witnessing, experiencing, and
being
>> > subjected to its latent force.
>> >
>> > in part this is so because the adventure with nazism has
effectively
>> > shrunk the language and terms of political debate (strong)
as exemplified
>> > in the hyped politic blitz from our president, media, and
etc. perhaps
>> > this is why poet saijo want to wreck english, ESPECIALLY
STOMP ON TUETONIC
>> > ROMANCE JUDEO ROMAN BULLSHIT. but for certain it's because
we live in
>> > contradictions, such that we've put thinking before living,
which is what
>> > not only suzuki is saying, but also schmitt is saying politically,
namely,
>> > legality before legitimacy. of course these should be in
reverse, for the
>> > latent force behind this false reality is that we're no
longer a sovereign
>> > county.
>> >
>> > the concern that is being raised is rooted in the doctrine
of liberalism's
>> > individuality because the autonomous, isolated, and solitary--example
>> > bush--whose absolute stance toward himself--he has no scruples--gives
us a
>> > world in which nothing is connecting to anything (strong).
in other
>> > words, the political has been substituted by liberalism's
perpetual
>> > discussion, merely by avoiding the issue(s). and this is
how, according
>> > to schmitt, the tyranny of western imperialism depoliticized
and
>> > dehumanized the world. we must not only not allow this
to happen to us,
>> > but also we must remember that the american way of life
is marked by the
>> > spirit of democracy and fair play (wu). now what do you
suppose chomsky
>> > would say to this?
>> >
>> > in short, and according to struss, what is needed is a system
that does
>> > not negate the political but brings it into recognition.
>> >
>> > keeping in mind that everything is connected to things -
consider the
>> > following quote from restorative justice: healing the effects
of crime by
>> > j. consedine. this quote is with respect to punishment
in the criminal
>> > justice system. in my opinion it is relevant to this event
>> >
>> > the public cry for retribution shows that we are still close
to barbarism.
>> > civilization begins when vendetta ends--wolfgang rosenberg.
>> >
>> > as i'm seeing it the cutting edge of the political is that
which
>> > illuminates the human condition and makes it intelligible,
for
>> > self-articulation as discourse is a speaking concern for
the world
>> > (wright). in short, from within this space the political
elements of
>> > schmitt, dewey, chomsky plus the spiritual factors of jung,
suzuki,
>> > nahm-mijo manifest itself.
>> >
>> > reactions!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > p.s. clarification of my "all." take for example when
i say, "all of us
>> > are stupid," in the manner that pua kanahele is explaining
why the
>> > hawaiian warrior can't be measured until traditional cultural
values and
>> > standards has been recovered in the pacific, i'm recognizing
the fact that
>> > the very small number of not stupid folks is negligible
to be even
>> > considered. take for example the yuppies, less than 2%
of the 4 million
>> > have decided to grow up. when that negligible number is
reflected off of
>> > our 35+ million population...--do you see it?
>> >
>> > however, if this small number was significant such that
the moral rot
>> > we're experiencing was not, that social violence wasn't
in a state of
>> nation
>> > crisis, as the consequence of their social action, then
and only then it
>> > is not all of us.
>> >
>> >
>> > ke'iko
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