Milutin writes:
> >> This is assuming that we are currently civilized. If anything, wild
> animals are much more humane then we are.
> >
> >Then why aren't you living like one? Wild animals can't be humane,
> >because being humane requires choosing between being humane and being
> >inhumane. Wild animals are not burdened with making that choice.
>
> They don't think, but they do make choices, all the time. Do I climb up
> this tree, do I run in that direction?
If they don't think, their choices are like the choices made by a
computer, ie programmed, not free will choices. However, I believe
they do think, but not in words like we do.
> The thing that makes it sooo ironic is that they are more humane
> then us.
They aren't humane at all, because they can't choose to be humane or
not humane.
> We are the humans and yet we treat each other worse then animals treat each
> other animals(I'm not going to even talk about how we treat animals). Sad
> state of being but that's why they call us civilised!
Speak for yourself. I don't treat humans worse than animals, and I
don't treat animals badly. Except for the ones I eat, of course, but
I assume that's ok by you, since many animals also eat other animals.
And we are *not* called civilized because of the evil some of us do.
Stop trying to destroy human values by twisting the meanings of words.
> >Well, in fact you can. You can go back to living without government.
>
> Now I'm liking what your saying....
>
> >Government is people making laws and agreeing to be governed by those
> >laws. Social democracies generally work that way. Not perfectly, of
> >course, and much improvement is needed. But if what you are saying
> >were true, there would be a lot more revolutions going on than there
> >are right now.
>
> Hmmm......
>
> I see you don't know what Governments are, but you do know what
> Governments have told you they are.
I know what governments are. Governments don't speak. People speak.
I speak. I am a person. Governments have not told me what they are.
I have learned what governments are by studying them. I know
some things about good government and some things about bad
government.
> Those how decide to make the rules are governed by them but also
> impose it on those who never made the rules or agreed to follow
> them.
"who", not "how". Sometimes there is a bad government. Sometimes
elites take over a government, especially a big government. But your
absolutist thinking is as bad as the absolutist thinking of those
elites. Don't run for office.
> And so problems occur and you must use many different methods of
> attack to prevent a revolution from happening and keep the joes
> disorganized and feeling helpless. Without these measures, the
> government and all power structures would fall and a revolution
> would occur.
You live in Canada. Is there something you find especially
distasteful about living in Canada? Are you being oppressed there?
Maybe you would feel more comfortable back in Yugoslavia. If you go
back now, you can join the revolution and really make a difference,
and prevent all the evil atrocities like those being perpetrated on
the poor Canadian hosers, who can't find two crusts of bread to make a
sandwich.
> >> He says that he is "not sure" if the society needs government. Also, he
> >> believes any authority(even those that are temporary, but government is
> >> forever) needs to be justified.
> >
> >Why don't you put the question to him directly? Ask him this: Do you
> >think the world population can live in peace and harmony with no rules
> >of government at all?
>
> You know I could actually ask him that, me and him are really tight! I'm
> just joking, but I wouldn't bother him with such questions. The man's busy,
> you know.
Well, I notice you have asked him other questions, or are there two
Milutins with your writing style and absolutist thought patterns?
> What I said in the last email was correct, there is a quote somewhere that
> has Noam saying he isn't sure if we need governments or not.
>
> But I do think the world population can live in peace and harmony with no
> government at all?
And your argument is? Please don't refer to pre-tribal humans.
> We need rules of course.
That's government. On the one hand you say we can live in peace and
harmony with not government at all. On the other hand, you say we
need government. Get off the fence. Do we need government or not?
> But if I follow those rules I must be allowed to make those
> rules(like voting on it). If we, together, create a rule through
> the democratic process and I stil hate it, I should be allowed to
> leave the association without being jailed or killed.
>
> These sort of freedoms do not occur within our societies. Maybe
> they should.
Mil, you can leave the association of Canada any time you like. You
can also stay there and work to change the laws you don't like. Or
you can work to start a revolution.
martin
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